Guns are for Goofs

I would totally wear a "guns are for people with small penises" t-shirt. You should do it!

listen up you mis-informed hippies, guns are tools, plain and simple. a gun does not embody evil. you can leave a loaded gun on a table for a hundred years, and no one will ever die or be hurt by one. its the people who own them who are dangerous. i like guns, i'm a gun owner myself, i have 4. all rifles. i hunt with them, i feed my family with the deer and moose that i kill each fall with them. the majority of people glean their gun knowledge from biased TV programs such as 20/20 and dateline, wich label them as "cop killers"

so tell me, where would we be now, if our grandfathers were without guns and went to war. would they throw rocks? harsh language? give me a break. guns allow people a freedom that you obviously can't appreciate. countless lives have been saved by people who carry a lawfully obtained concealed weapon. did you know that many politicians and high level judges in canada are issued concealed carry liscences. chances are good that our idiot prime minister himself has the choice if he wants to carry a pistol in a shoulder holster.

guns don't kill people, people kill people. guns are tools. pull your head out of your hippy ass, i probably have a bigger dick than you do!

People were killing each other long before guns were invented, and people would continue to kill each other if guns were removed from the streets. What's next - a pointy stick registry?

I don't understand the anti-gun rants - this guy wasn't killed by a gun, he was killed by a CRIMINAL. You don't want american-style gun laws? 90% of violent gun crime in the states is limited to 3% of the counties. The biggest offenders? Washington DC, Chicago, LA - the jurisdictions with the most gun control.

You want to end violence against women? Give them the right to protect themselves and the tools to do so. I'm not talking about a restraining order.

Your anger and frustration is justified but misplaced. Get tough on crime and drugs - my hunting rifle has never killed anyone and owning a few pistols has not made me more likely to rob a liquor store.

Im sick of all the anti-gun people. They are like sheep, believing whatever they read or hear. Listen up people we law abiding gun owners dont kill people much less hurt anyone. Criminals kill people and our cops arent doing anything to stop them. Lets go after the lack of policing not guns themselves.

I get what you are saying I guess. So if we ban skateboards kids will stop hanging around parks, right?

It's too bad that your anger is clouding your judgement. There is not a single legitimate gun owner in Canada who is not outraged at this senseless killing, but I don't see how any intelligent and rational person would feel that guns are the problem. Society and people are the problem. After the killing in Montreal the government got "tough" and used that tragedy to enact stringent gun control laws. People like you sang praises in the street and voted for the Liberal government, the ones who protect us. And now look where we are. The law abiding citizens, who happen to be gun owners, are being punished for the acts of criminal. Meanwhile the criminals are aquiring guns illegally and laughing in your face. Wake up and understand that gun control only controls those who abide by the laws. It will NEVER control criminals. By the way, I think skateboards should be banned from all public areas except designated skateboard parks. Skateboarders cause too much damage to railings. And skateboarders should be given fines and have their skateboards confiscated if caught using sidewalks or roadways. Also, the vandalization of public buildings and structures by "artists" who spray paint them should be criminalized and carry a mandatory jail sentence.
How does that sit with you? Now you know how gun owners feel.

It’s very clear to even a mildly educated individual that you have no idea what you’re talking about. Next time you want to rant, instead of smoking a joint, go do some research. I can't even begin to express my distaste for your opinion. I am sorry your friend was killed but he was NOT killed by a gun so don't make ridiculous claims that the media plays no part in gun violence and that file sharing companies (which is a completely different legal, and civil for that matter, section) can be equated to gun manufacturers. I suggest you take your own advice and "lean more" before you grow a vagina.

"Are we in America?"

No, because if we were, we might just have the right to carry a firearm of your very own to protect your person in a case like the one where your friend was killed.

Dont be sucked in by the Liberal BS, no one is responsible for your protection but you. Wouldnt it be nioce if the government allowed you to do that effectively.

Sorry about your friend, but your anger should be at the Justice sysytem for allowing this (probably repeat offender) thug to walk the streets, not the gun wich is just and inanimate object.

Making guns illegal does nothing to stop guns used in crimes. why?...because crimminals don't go into a gun store, show their license and purchase a gun...criminals buy their guns ILLEGALLY.

You commend your bud for getting a skatepark for the locals so they "don't get bored and then go and shoot people"

maybe things have changed alot from when i was a full time skater but shooting people when we were bored just never came up...ever. Maybe you and the people you know are different.

Then you bring up the "blatant contradiction" of police carrying guns and some madman in Quebec...police carry guns because of madmen. Correlation yes, contradiction no.

Then it's on to the manufacturers and you come up with an argument that points to one of the basic problems in our society...nobody takes responsibility for their actions, it's always someone else's fault. If someone gets beat to death with a 2 x 4 do we ban lumber and sue home depot. How about people who use their car to intentionally (or not) run someone over...ban cars...sue bmw...puh-lease.

Finally, you say "I don't know much about gun control" which is fine, you admit it, but instead of the whacked out idea of maybe, say, educating yourself you come up with "Maybe I'll bring it up at an all candidates meeting or something. Or maybe I'll make a shirt that says 'Guns are people with small penises'." Now why would you do that...you already said you don't know anything.

I'm assuming you where really emotional when you wrote this because as I've pointed out, you contradict yourself at every turn and say some really stupid things.

cheers,

jl

How many women at polytechnique would have died according to you had they been allowed to have a handgun in their handbags? It would not have been a stampeded for the nearest exit, except for Lépine, believe me.

put that in your joint and smoke it

They better put that gun in prison before it does it again! There's an idea, let the murderers out of prison and lock up the guns, then they won't kill. Maybe approaching a guy who is shooting in an alley (and thus by definition a criminal) and berating him is not a wise thing to do. I'm very sorry for your friend, but it's the people like the one who murdered him who need to be controlled. Or we could ban fists and feet since they kill more people than guns every year. Thanks for having the honesty to at least tell us you have no idea what you are talking about when it comes to gun control.

Smoke another joint, loser, and then rent a tractor to pull your head out of your lower lint trap. If you did any sort of rational thinking, dude, you'd be stoked to find out that, hey, like, there just happened to be some wannabewangster at the other end of the gun pulling the trigger. You should check, he must have had a small unit. Brilliant analysis.

Find out who makes them. Find out why they exist. Find out how many lives are saved because people can protect themselves. Figure out that 7 million gunowning Canadians shot nobody today, or yesterday, or ever. Blame it on the criminal, dude, nobody else. Don't be such a closed-minded intolerant hate-monger.

so your friend was killed by some shitbag, and this is the fault of the gun how? It's not legal, law abiding gun owners, nor gun manufacturers, fault that dirtbags like to kill people. Humans have been doing it for thousands of years, knives, rocks, guns, baseball bats etc. It isn't going to stop, and whining or complaining about guns isn't going to do any good. You want results? lobby to get criminals locked up, have harsher sentences that actually affect criminals, not simply give them somewhere warm to go for the winter.
As for the transit cops carrying guns? Good for them, they are now expected to enforce the criminal code and you'd have them do that with harsh words and pepper spray? I'd like to see you deal with meth heads and fuck ups when that's all you've got. they need to be armed in order to protect themselves and to be any kind of deterrent. If you'd pull your nanny state head out of your ass you might actually see that.

"Look, I don't know too much about gun control" This statement of yours is plainly obvious. Do yourself a favor and start the research you said, but not only the Gun-Control sites, research the facts about gun control, and find the truth, sadly lacking in the anti-gun rants. It's strange you from Vancouver has to mention the Montreal massacre to justify an anti gun stance when more women have been killed in Vancouver (Pickton murders +) and Edmonton than Montr顬, but guns were not used and they were street workers, make them less notable? I think the anti-gun industry shames the deaths of the Montr顬 woman.

You wanting to blame the company making a product is interesting, get drunk on a Kokanee, drive home in your car, have an accident, kill someone. Who do you sue?, Kokanee for allowing an irresponsible person to drink their product, the motor company for selling a car that can kill, the dealer who sold the car, or the Drunk at the wheel?

Just to close, freedom of choice, association, sport is a democratic right. I would guess you would stand to legalize POT, boy could I go off about that, but you may find that offensive.

Oh man, 5th grade reporting at it's best. You desperately need to poke your head out of the herd author. For the trillionth time GUNS DO NOT KILL PEOPLE, PEOPLE KILL PEOPLE.

Lesson learned: Don't be cocky to a guy with a gun. Common sense really.

i have shot guns. i have hunted with guns. a twelve gauge left me with a brutal bruise on my shoulder when i was eight. i like guns. i can buy a gun illegally. or i can get a liscense. there are advantages to both. now if lee had been hit by a drunk driver then that would be the outcry. if he had been involved with certain groups then many would say he had it coming. it would seem that the problem here is that someone died that was close to many people and made an impact in many lives, mine included. leeside was my favorite place to go ride until it got burnt. the very same anger that is misdirected towards a cause for his death IS the cause of his death. misdirected anger. irrational fear. our society is filled with these and many people are a slave to them . that is the problem in my opinion. there is no one person to blame. we each have a responsibility to ourselves and each other to gain a better understanding of why we think and behave in ways that harm us or others. whetehr we like it or not we are interdependant. we need "criminals" as much as we need "pacifists". i have been both. without either extreme we would have no basis for what would be considered reasonable . right and wrong can change from person to person. that is why we have laws. that is why people break them. i am sad that someone had to die for anyone to really think about what it means to be alive.

Just let them grow up. They obviously don't even understand what's coming out of their mouth.

Let me see if I've got this straight. Your friend was shot by an idiot with a gun. Notice - I didn't call the 'gun' an idiot. the only idiot in this scenario is the idiot WITH the gun. the gun is blameless - it's a MACHINE - let me say this slowly so you'll understand....M A C H I N E ...........got it? If your friend had been killed by a knife then the only idiot would be the one HOLDING the knife. The knife would be blameless. Give it a while - you'll get it. And you 'hate' guns??? Do you hate your toaster???? Why not....... under the right circumstances they're both capable of killing someone just as dead. Want to do something worthwhile?? Stand in front of the courthouse and scream at the prosecutors who deal off gun charges - yell at judges who allow this to happen........ and THEN slap idiots on the wrist. That might actually do something......... rather than being mad at a machine, for goodness sake, place your angst where it should be........ at the idiot that pulled the trigger.

You should educate yourself before startng your rant. Canada has a very comprehensive gun control program called Bill C-68. A copy of it is free for the asking, check the library. In case you have not noticed, CRIMINALS DON'T FOLLOW THE RULES!!!

Maybe Canada's sky high rape rate can be explained by our relaxed gun control....
Oh wait, Canada's rape rate is more than double that of the US because women cannot even carry pepper spray to protect themselves, not to mention a gun.

Look where gun prohibition leads: UK's has been declared one of the most violent urban societies in the world. Crime is increasing exponentially.

whoa the link must have been posted on some interesting to site to get this many pro-gun rants. of course guns don't kill people on their own, but they certainly make it easier for drunk morons to deliver mortal wounds without the discomfort of getting blood on their hands. the problem isn't the guns in general, but the fact that handguns are so easily illegally obtained. i think that anyone who is caught with an "illegal" gun should be dealt with it in a way that makes it very undesirable to get another one. crime is increasing exponentially because people don't take the time to hang out with their kids and figure out where they are going to be, what they are watching, what they think, not because people don't carry guns. if that was the case, the US would be a very safe place, and it's not.

i didn't know lee, but i have a very good friend who did, and this whole thing makes me sick. taking someone's life just because they said something you didn't like is inexcusable.

You people who all came here in here when someone has just died just to prove your point (however valid or not) have about as much class as Heston in Columbine. Ever heard of the right time and place?

The issue is not about rifles to feed your families, folks. The issue is about illegally obtained handguns being toted around the downtown core in the waistbands of people who are too ignorant to realize that they may not only be taking away someone else's life when they shoot them, but also their own. To all of the people who own guns and use them to feed their famiies by killing animals in the wilderness, good for you, seriously. That's commendable, and it's not you that people are upset with... it's the idiots who are killing their friends in the city. Please have some respect for the deceased and stop posting pro-gun rants here.

Gee whizz you don't like the message? Sorry but it is time you folks dealt with reality. The lasts stats I saw had BC violent crime rate at about 1600 per 100,000 people. Contrast that with North Dakota at 58 per 100,000 or Arizona (Open carry of handguns allowed) at about 550 per 100,000.

Message the US is a much safer place than Canada is right now.

Are you aware that Bill C 68 makes it illegal for you to defent your own home? any correleation between that and the rise in home invasions over the last 10 years.

Sorry about your friends death, truly tragic, but deal with your real problems and it isn't guns. And tell me while you are reading this what the heck is an illegal gun. Last time I looked the guns in my safe don't have legal vs illegal written on them. They are machines and they are capable of killing. Left on there own though they can't move, they don't breath and they sure as hell don't break laws.

Sorry if I have upset your greifing process but in your own way you are as responsible for your friends death as the shooter was.

Welcome to planet earth and reality.

Well now you have attacked my rights as a person living in Canada by your blog name (guns are for goofs). I think you friends death is truely tragic, but now I must inform you that our sport is near death thanks to the lieberals and anti-gunners!
I think police forces need to get tougher on crime and MORE OUTREACH PROGRAMS IN TORONTO are needed , not a silly ban on handguns.. is anyone home ? give me a break!!

"Today is the day anniversary of the l'Ecole Polytechnique shootings wherin a misogynist douchebag killed 14 innocent women. Today is also the day that Skytrain police will begin carrying guns. Anybody else see the blatant contradiction?"

More like a blatant coincidence if you ask me.

Um....

I think I'm going to be sick...

Sean, I support your opinion 100%. I believe that anyone remotely connected to Lee will also support you and have absolutely no tolerance for guns and violence. All life is precious and any product associated with its destruction is wrong... there is no justification. I am not a 'mis-informed hippy' and I'm not here with a hidden agenda. I just happen to love humanity, and I miss Lee.

wow... i love the accusastions of being a potsmoker, hippie and WOMAN?! sure people kill people but guns are an excellently easy way for people to do it! tell me fists are as quick'n'thoughtless... i love how we raise kids to talk about their feelings and not to physically fight through their issues yet they see countries work out their problems (okay, leaders of countries) with guns and bombs and armies of people using such devices. or daddy packing so he can flash his gear on the highway when he cuts someone off and they finger him. guns are instant like so many other things we "need" in this day. you don't need to think about your reaction to someone... for one second they pose a threat to you for some reason (your image or whatever) and you can shoot at them and possibly kill them, paralyze them, drain them of their blood.... i will never think of guns as anything but a weapon.

It amazes me how unsophisticated and gullible the anti-gun uban core really is. The Liberals came up with the Firearms Act in 1994 to win urban votes. As you may have noticed, it's useless. The Liberals knew that, but they knew it would get your vote. To succeed the Liberals need an IGNORANT public like a car needs gasoline; no ignorance, no election victory.
One poster to this thread has already commented about Heston at Columbine. This genius hasn't figured out that that part of the Michael Moore move was a fabrication, as were many parts of it.

Less than one tenth of one percent of all guns are used in crimes, yet you want to punish the innocent.You can't even grasp that murder is committed by murders. Oh, and it's your Liberal gun-hating buddies who've given you such a perverted justice system that your friend's murderer feels no fear or concern to murder on a whim. How many times do you think this animal was before a judge and got sent home with an ass-kiss.

penis size and pot-smoking accusations aside:

holy shit. these people must just have pages of pro-gun stats at their disposal. all i know is that the last thing i thought about when i heard of lee's death was "man, if only him or one of his friends had had a gun to shoot the killer first." and as a woman i feel that the ability to walk down the street in safety should not come down to me packing heat. if that is required, our society has far deeper problems than can be solved by a nationwide arms race. (sorry no stats yet gun dudes, i'll work on that... for now, common sense will have to do)

The suspect has no criminal record and was previously unknown to the police. Just some drunk idiot wangster who thought he was tough by carrying a gun.

ps: i'm not a fucking liberal!

So if guns don't kill people, people kill people, then why don't we ban people?

" If someone gets beat to death with a 2 x 4 do we ban lumber and sue home depot. How about people who use their car to intentionally (or not) run someone over...ban cars...sue bmw...puh-lease." 2 x 4s arent made for killing people theyre made for building, and cars for driving... guns are made for the sole purpose of killing. And for all these women that could have saved themselves if they had a gun?! Thats total and complete bullshit. It is these crminals that are to blame... most of those women probably wouldnt even be able to shoot the gun if they had to. And whose to know when a madman is coming to shoot them dead? If that fucker that shot Lee didnt have a gun, and came after him with his fists, 2x4 or even a knife, he would have had more of a chance to fight back or to run away. that is the main difference. Not too long ago Rachel got shot in front of the purple onion trying to help a dead limp body from being kicked ... she was trying to save him from being killed but he was already dead.. Those kids that shot Lee were some west van brats trying to live the thug life and had to "keep it real" in that alley there ... i was shocked to watch the tape of the shooting and seeing his friends just casually walk away with him.. thank god they came forward... Also violence wasnt alwaysgoing on. There are a lot of native tribes that were completely equal and non violent.. it changed when people imigrated from europe... anyways enough with my rant... - Not a weed smoking hippie . oh and PS... dont you think its in bad taste to talk shit on Lees skateboarding and art when he was just murdered?

i'm pretty sure all these gun-nut messages were posted by some unabomber type with way to much time on his hands.


lets all walk around with concealed weapons and shoot at anyone that gives a sideways glance. please... i'd rather not live my life in constant fear. if i did, i would live in a place called america and vote for bush.

As for the transit cops carrying guns? Good for them, they are now expected to enforce the criminal code and you'd have them do that with harsh words and pepper spray? I'd like to see you deal with meth heads and fuck ups when that's all you've got. they need to be armed in order to protect themselves and to be any kind of deterrent. If you'd pull your nanny state head out of your ass you might actually see that"

- Ive worked in the downtown east side with meth heads, junkies, and crack heads.. and various others.. i have NEVER in my life felt like i needed a gun or pepper spray or any kind of weapon to deal with them... you obviously havent "pulled your head out of your own ass" and worked the front lines to see that you dont need that shit to deal with junkies.. junkies steal.. they most often dont want to hurt you.

OK...I realise that the post was emotional and perhaps irrational and maybe even childish, but NOT ONCE did I mention that we should ban guns. Read it again. I am just asking some questions, and I am pleased that I got answers. Like I said, I don't know much about gun control.

I also never suggested that there should be a gun registry.

This is not about hunting, come on, bringing that into the argument is moot.
I'm sorry, but a really great dude is dead, and the person who killed him WASN'T a criminal before then.

But I stand by opinion. I hate guns. I don't think anyone should have them. What I was trying to get at, is the profiteering by gun makers and the immense power that gun lobbies have. If you all agree that there are madmen in society, why would you allow an ample supply of weapons at their disposal? I just don't understand how there can be an economy that rewards gun makers. I really don't. I don't understand how people can get rich by making potential murder weapons. But your're right whoever said that about Kokanee, and cars, and whatnot. There has to be some measure of personal responsibility.

I just think that the pursuit of happiness has demolished family and community. Wether its investing in SNC Lavalin who make bullets and subsequenlty also the RAV Line, or if its a thug selling crack; the idea is the same. Anything to get ahead. Survival of the fittest. Dog eats dog. All that social Darwinism.

It is my belief that we should care for the less fortunate, if that makes me a liberal then that is okay. We need to build real alternatives to the SHOPPING MALL. Like for example, a skatepark.

For the record, I don't smoke pot. I also don't drink or do drugs. I shop locally, and support local artists and musicians. I have to wonder, how many of the posters on here do the same. Its not a contest. But i wonder how many of them listen to music they here on the radio, and buy the stuff record company pimps push at them. I wonder how many shop at Walmart. I wonder how many volunteer at community centres. I wonder how many of them buy stuff made in foreign lands. How many have fences around their yards? How many drive into cities to work, buy their non locally made groceries from some mega store like Safeway, then drive home, turn on the TV and then do it all the next day. Where is the community you are fostering?

Someone said skateboarding and graffiti should be illegal. I ask them this, what do you propose is an alternative for teenagers?

Boredom is a tool. If you are bored in leisure then you will want to go to work. you will not complain because it fills your day. you will be offered an amzing array of goods and services to choose from. then you will die.

Think of all the things that people use to fill that vacuous hole inside there soul. Gambling, TV, Sex, Booze, Shopping, drugs, antidepressants, fundemtalist religions...

I think its because our work is unfullfilling, and that everything is for sale. I'm sure our removal from the natural world has something to do with it. I;m sure the commodification of everything from sex to sport to food is also a reason. We live in a culture of fear, because we lock ourselves away in our cars and our gated housing communities. We stream in bad news from around the globe, then turn off the switch and go to bed.

Once again, I never said that we should ban guns. I am confused and hurt and I just wanted to vent. I don't know the answers. I just...

wow - i have to say i am totally shocked to read the comments that have been left after sean's post... i can hardly believe the 'points' brought up, as they are plainly ridiculous - just sooo totally wrong... how can anyone say he was not killed by a gun - fuck u guys - he WAS KILLED BY A FUCKING GUN!!!!!!!!! dont u gunpackers get it at all? an innocent man was killed for no reason. i dont give a shit about hunting rifles - i am talking about someone shot to death outside a niteclub. u cant hide behind the excuse that a CRIMINAL killed not the gun - as it was a moron who had a GUN and thus became a criminal by pulling the trigger - how can it not be seen that had that guy NOT had a GUN he would not have killed someone he didnt even know - do u really think he couldve been so mad to be stabbed to death with a 'pointy stick'. as i read through the bulk of the comments the same thing is echoed - and honestly all i see is that u 'gunners' who are so upset about this article are a bunch of idiots as well as sore losers to be posting such things on a gun-vicitms's memorial. it truly made me sick.

and another Huge fuck you to all that mentioned women would be better protected if we carried guns.

peace

(and yet again another sign-off from a non-hippy that doesnt smoke pot)

I understand your feelings at the loss of Lee Matasi. I offer my sincerest condolences to you, his family and friends. In the early 90's two very good friends of mine were murdered in there gun shop by people intent on steeling handguns. They were wonderful people. Much like your friend Lee you just remembered them because of who they were and what they did.

To this day however I can't blame guns. They were just the instrument of choice for these horrible people. I'm sure that there lives would have been taken by whatever means possible had guns not been available.

The reason you have received so many pro-firearms responses to your comments is your lumping of all gun owners in one group. We are people. Just like you. Our interest may differ somewhat but law abiding gun owners have feelings. I actually find your comments quite offensive. I'm not a Goof as you surmise nor is the size of my pennies in any way linked to my desire to own firearms.

Every law abiding gun owner I know is appalled by the violence we see on the streets of our major cities. I find the thought of a firearm being used to take the life of an innocent human being to be repugnant. Your friend did not deserve to die in this manner.

Law abiding gun owners have been made to feel as though they are second class citizens. We feel as though we are under attack form all sides and we're being blamed for every firearms related death in Canada. When ever an innocent person is killed there is a renewed call for tougher gun laws even though the laws already in place were broken and had no effect except to incontinence legitimate gun owners. Your belittling comments do nothing but dehumanize people like me and make you look like a bigot.

I know nothing I can say will change your mind about firearms or firearms ownership but please try to understand there is a difference between legally and illegally owned guns. As with many things there is two sides to this issue. There is a huge number of legal firearms owners in Canada. If we are as bad as the negative propaganda would have you believe why don't we have more firearms related deaths in Canada?

although i had the intention of simply reading this blog--and by the way am appreciative of sean's public appeal to consider the unnecessary role guns play in our society--i found myself in awe at the number of flagrantly insensitive and naive people who responded. not only are you disrespecting the community by your comments towards this issue--be it proud licensed gun owners or not--but you are missing the bottom line. WAKE THE FUCK UP.



your arsenal of statistics doesn't impress me, and i'm assuming it doesn't impress anyone else on this blog either, whose sentiments are adament towards the abolition of guns in society--a 'civilized' society, that is. well, i did a little research of my own, and came up with some of my own statistics. i was appalled.



in canada alone, there are 2 million firearm licenses floating around canada as of september 30th, 2005. out of those 2 million licenses are 7.1 million registered firearms. that's one for about every 4 canadians. more startling is that there is an estimated 70% non-compliance rate amongst firearm owners. these figures obviously do not include all of the illegally-obtained guns, the number of which we can only make half-assed predictions about. in the U.S. there are an estimated 250 million guns floating around; one for every american. the reason this disgustingly huge number is 'estimated' is because of the simple fact that the U.S. government has no goddamned clue how many guns there are in their alleged gun 'controlled' nation. canada is facing the same problem.



in fact, our gun 'control' program has backfired in a number of other ways. originally forecast to cost $2 million dollars, it has currently racked up a staggering $2 BILLION. out of this money, the registry has only coughed up a pathetic $140 million, which means canadian taxpayers have had to cover the remaining $1.86 billion. obviously the issue here is not money, but i thought it was important to get across that there are many other problems in the midst here. the main one, of course, is that innocent and law-abiding citizens, lee avers matasi being one of them, are being gunned down in an exemplary nation which is slowly and surely becoming akin to its southern wasteland.



according to very well documented source, "more than 20,000 canadian gun-owners have publicly refused to register their firearms. many others are silently ignoring the law ... our current gun registry as it sits right now is causing law abiding citizens to register their guns but it does nothing to take one illegal gun off the street or to increase any type of penalty for anybody that violates any part of the legislation." it also reports that B.C. is one of five canadian provinces which refuses to prosecute firearm owners that fail to register.



if you ignorant, all-too-conservative hunters are opting to favor gun control laws, this is ample evidence that it simply does not work. your argument that "guns don't kill people, people do" is streamlined ignorance. the fact that the assailant in this case had no prior criminal record just proves my next point: GUNS CREATE CRIMINALS. if this person did not have access to an unregistered firearm which he most likely stole, or bought from the streets, then this horrific incident would never have happened.



and as for the l'ecole polytechnique incident--this one makes me really mad--you are missing the point once again, and are lost in a perpetual warmongering attitude. the argument was that the women should have been armed in order to prevent the incident. well, here's some shocking news, WE DON'T ALL WANT TO CARRY GUNS. nor should we have to in order to feel safe. your 'eye for an eye attitude' is counterproductive. it is equivalent to saying that in order to prevent violent crimes we need to perform them first. it's backwards logic. marc lepine would have gotten ahold of a gun somehow, and the solution of making canadian pay billions of dollars in order that the same guns be 'controlled' by registration laws is an insult to canadian if anything.



the solution is obviously either a) strict disciplinary action towards those found in posession of unregistered firearms, or the more cost-effective and logical solution, b) eliminate guns completely. leave them in the hands of the military who have a reason to use them. gandhi once said something along the lines of "if everyone in the world took an eye for an eye, the entire would would go blind." turns out he's right.



so, as you proudly americanized gun advocates sit stroking your ego-extenders, realize that you are setting an example. realize that you, however chivalrous you may be, or whatever 'rights' you think you have, that the majority of us don't want to live in fear of what you prize most valuable. the truth is that life is more valuable than anything. this is the underlying message i, and i believe many of the people on this blog are attempting to purport.



"all guns are capable of being used in crime. all guns pose a threat to public safety."



- the supreme court of canada, 2000.

Wow, all these people who are so centered on their "Guns aren't bad, people are." (and who is it that makes the guns? oh right...) will maybe see the issue a little more clearly after seeing the Liberal parties announcement today to take steps to effectively ban all handguns nationwide.

Did you catch that all you reactionary commentors?

HANDGUNS!

Sweet fancy fuck. Perhaps we shouldn't seek to ban handguns after all, because maybe if we are very very lucky the no dick bedsores posting above will all meet each other in the alley after leaving the nickleback show and shoot each other in the cock.

I bet your all Christians too.

I'm not.

Tell you guys what though. Watch and see when handguns get banned. Crime will not get any better. How are they going to take them away from people who get them smuggled in from the US and illegally own them, exactly?

And how are gun laws here too soft? Oh, wait...We're allowed to have them in the first place.

None of mine have helped kill anyone yet. I guess they're broken

i cant wait till one of these gun lovers 2 year olds gets a hold of that gun and shoots them selves or someone else they love. Blame the 2 year old? no.. i think youd wish you never had it in your home... yeah yeah.. you locked it up... sure.. that ONE time you forget... or maybe hes not 2 anymore... hes a bit older and he figures out how to open the case...

i wouldn't blame guns for Lee's murder, but i will say that GUN CULTURE is largely to blame. We're not talking about hunting rifles here, obviously.

Anyhow, why are people so off-target? Lee was a guy who actually built something in his community. Giving kids a skatepark helps them keep out of trouble. Boredom makes peeople seek adrenaline in whatever form they can find it, and sadly, guns are one of those ways.

what are handguns for anyways? they are not tools for hunting (see: rifles), they are not weapons for war (see: automatics). they are personal protection devices left to an army of idiots who feel they need them to surive the "tough life".

The comment comparing Gun manufacturers to movie pirators really struck a chord with me.

Daily Kos did a very good job of pointing out a few contradictions, and I'm glad I came hear to read this post.

Keep it up.

I offer my condolences for your loss. Personally, I don't like skateboards and automobiles. I believe that these items should be outright banned as they cause more injuries, accidents and fatalities than handguns. I don't know much about skateboards and automobiles. Hell, I don't even skateboard or drive.....

I don't mean to make light of your friend's passing nor you. But blame the criminal or the person who committed the act. Had a skateboard or an automobile been the cause of his death would you be calling for them to be banned? I know it is an emotional time for you but I don't think that eroding law abiding citizens rights in regards to firearms will really address the core of the problem.

dear jacho,
you should read what was written before you write something that needn't really be answered again. but here goes:

skateboards and cars are NOT built explicitly for the purpose of killing. that is why deaths that happen as a result of a skateboard or car, as opposed to a gun, do not cause the outrage and discourse on bans.

duh.

not once has a skateboard ever killed someone... nor has anyone died from riding a skateboard... do you hate those who choose not to drive (hating cars for the same reason as you) and choose to use a skateboard for transportation?

the polytechnic, would not have turned out "better" only worse, most people dont hit on their first shot, then put guns in a thousand panicked peoples hands and what do you get?
several thousand bullets in a crowded caf. killing hundreds instead of fourteen. the problem IS guns, yes homicide would still happen, but there would be far less if there was no way to kill from a few hundred feet

Sorry, I have the same prejudice and contempt for skaterboarders and autos as some of you have for firearms and their owners. I don't drive, I walk. Try walking down Granville mall when a group of clowns (mostly teens or morons in their twenties) on skateboards whiz by at high speed. I've seen people hurt by skateboarders but how would they know this because they didn't stop or even look behind them. I won't get into automobiles here.....Don't berate me for my 'ignorance' when some of you have the same level of 'ignorance' towards firearms and their owners. Guns are tools and can be used to kill. Does it really matter what the object was designed for? What really matters is how the object is used. Some madman can use a skateboard and club someone to death with it. Vehicular homicide has been done before. Do these incidents become more acceptable because the 'tools' used to perpetrate the evil deed weren't intended for that task in the first place? We live in a trouble world folks. Blaming objects won't change it things but making people accountable for their actions will.....

Bah to all the pro-gun people. Handguns are made for shooting people, and that's all. Sure, cars occasionally kill people, but that's not what they are made for. So the analogy falls completely flat. You really have no argument for guns, so you fabricate stupid things like that... phhhh

"can be used to kill" - can be, like a cheese grater CAN be used to grate cheese. Smarten up, dumbass.

I really can't believe how much this has gotten off the topic. Guns or no guns, a kid was killed for no other reason than something to do on a night out on the town. I have no idea how to stop that, but the argueing over who is right about the gun issue is not it.

In a balanced mind and a well moraled society, a gun has no more potential to kill than a 2 x 4, and is no more lethal. We have a serious problem coming up on us that is not a gun problem, at least not 100%.

This life was not considered to be anything, nothing more than an experience. For the guys who did it, obviously it was just the thought, "What would it be like to kill someone?" Everyone agrees that Lee wouldn't have started the fight, so the people who killed him were out thinking tonight was the night they were going to kill someone. How mad could you have been at someone is a 1 minute conversation? We all can agree it wasn't provoked, so it must have been an experiment for those involved.

So they went down the block and shot off their gun. Into someone's head. To see what would happen. To see what it was like. To know how it feels. I think that is the biggest problem.

I really don't have any answers here and I know that there isn't an absolute answer. More jail time doesn't work. Stricter laws won't work. Banning guns won't work. I am mad about this. I do think that there is no reason to have guns in the city of Vancouver.

And I do think that we are grasping at things like banning guns or guns for everyone not because the world is very fucked up, Vancouver included, and we really don't know what to do about it.

Fuck you scenesters who mugged for the camera at lee's wake like a bunch of attention hungry art fags trying to get noticed at the latest fashionable event. Your sick little faces in Dose magazine today made me sick.

"Hey, everyone's here! Wow, yeah that's harsh he's dead, HEY DID YOU HERE ABOUT MY SHOW!!" Laugh it up you assholes, Lee wouldn't have got in front of the camera and laugh it up if you died.

And don't even pull that shit about "That's how he lived!" Take a look up from your picture and see how his Mom and sister have to live before you try to get in the paper.

Someone is dead you stupid fucks. Just for ten minutes it's not all about you.

I knew Lee...My Heart, Soul, Tears and Prayers go out to his family and friends that he was so violently taken from. I have to point out though...Guns dont kill people, PEOPLE KILL PEOPLE. I'm not justifying guns... im just saying it was just a weapon... Lee was killed by a weapon with an IDIOT BEHIND IT!!!!

I'll grant you that in the hands of a responsible person, a gun is nothing more than a powerful object or tool. But that's exactly why guns are so appealing to losers, because of the control and respect they represent. The values represented by guns are the same, whether seen by a gun-club enthusiast, or a wannabe thug from Vancouver, only difference is one can handle a gun safely, the other cannot.
As long as there are guns, they will remain symbols of responsibility and power, and those who lack these attributes will aspire to own them.
So to all handgun owners: you're part of our society and like it or not, we're all role-models to each other. By owning a gun, you're encouraging others to own guns, and because they can be obtained illegaly, you have no control over who gets a one. It's unlikely we can stop guns from being available, but we can certainly affect the way people think about them, and thereby affect whether or not they want one.

Lee was honest and always said what he was thinking. It's been suggested that he told the guy who shot him, in so many words, that he shouldn't have a gun. I strongly urge any gun owners who read this to give up at least one piece if there's a gun-amnesty. You never know who you might be encouraging to do the same.

I'll grant you that in the hands of a responsible person, a gun is nothing more than a powerful object or tool. But that's exactly why guns are so appealing to losers, because of the control and respect they represent. The values represented by guns are the same, whether seen by a gun-club enthusiast, or a wannabe thug from Vancouver, only difference is one can handle a gun safely, the other cannot.
As long as there are guns, they will remain symbols of responsibility and power, and those who lack these attributes will aspire to own them.
So to all handgun owners: you're part of our society and like it or not, we're all role-models to each other. By owning a gun, you're encouraging others to own guns, and because they can be obtained illegaly, you have no control over who gets a one. It's unlikely we can stop guns from being available, but we can certainly affect the way people think about them, and thereby affect whether or not they want one.

Lee was honest and always said what he was thinking. It's been suggested that he told the guy who shot him, in so many words, that he shouldn't have a gun. I strongly urge any gun owners who read this to give up at least one piece if there's a gun-amnesty. You never know who you might be encouraging to do the same.

I'll grant you that in the hands of a responsible person, a gun is nothing more than a powerful object or tool. But that's exactly why guns are so appealing to losers, because of the control and respect they represent. The values represented by guns are the same, whether seen by a gun-club enthusiast, or a wannabe thug from Vancouver, only difference is one can handle a gun safely, the other cannot.
As long as there are guns, they will remain symbols of responsibility and power, and those who lack these attributes will aspire to own them.
So to all handgun owners: you're part of our society and like it or not, we're all role-models to each other. By owning a gun, you're encouraging others to own guns, and because they can be obtained illegaly, you have no control over who gets a one. It's unlikely we can stop guns from being available, but we can certainly affect the way people think about them, and thereby affect whether or not they want one.

Lee was honest and always said what he was thinking. It's been suggested that he told the guy who shot him, in so many words, that he shouldn't have a gun. I strongly urge any gun owners who read this to give up at least one piece if there's a gun-amnesty. You never know who you might be encouraging to do the same.

I'll grant you that in the hands of a responsible person, a gun is nothing more than a powerful object or tool. But that's exactly why guns are so appealing to losers, because of the control and respect they represent. The values represented by guns are the same, whether seen by a gun-club enthusiast, or a wannabe thug from Vancouver, only difference is one can handle a gun safely, the other cannot.
As long as there are guns, they will remain symbols of responsibility and power, and those who lack these attributes will aspire to own them.
So to all handgun owners: you're part of our society and like it or not, we're all role-models to each other. By owning a gun, you're encouraging others to own guns, and because they can be obtained illegaly, you have no control over who gets a one. It's unlikely we can stop guns from being available, but we can certainly affect the way people think about them, and thereby affect whether or not they want one.

Lee was honest and always said what he was thinking. It's been suggested that he told the guy who shot him, in so many words, that he shouldn't have a gun. I strongly urge any gun owners who read this to give up at least one piece if there's a gun-amnesty. You never know who you might be encouraging to do the same.

"can be used to kill" - can be, like a cheese grater CAN be used to grate cheese. Smarten up, dumbass.

Jay R. You're entitled to your opinion and I'm entitled to mine. I cannot think of any legitimate gun owner who takes to the street with any of their registered firearms in tow. If you really think that banning handguns in Canada that handgun crime will disappear then I'm afraid you're the dumbass. Criminals, like some skateboarders on Granville mall, do not obey or have any regard for the law.

I just want to know the story behind that photo.

"I just want to know the story behind that photo."

What story? They're just loitering and being public nuisances............

Condolences. Tragic.

Some on both sides here need to give your heads a shake.

To the author,
The way you wrote this is VERY insulting to gun owners nationwide. You attack them, expect them to hit back.

In my opinion, guns are not to blame. Criminals and the society that breeds them are to blame. Seems simpole doesn't it?

they arent allowed to hang out at the beach?

i agree that guns are not to blame. BUT, i heard a stat on cbc today that after putting gun laws into place in the UK, gun homicides dropped like 40%.

Also, i have to echoe a previous comment about how f'ing distasteful it is for the pro gun crowd to lay on all this hostility, just after Sean's friend reached his untimely demise.

There's been good points from both sides, but an unfortunate number of underhanded low blows. But that's life on the anonymous web, i guess.

wiL

Tho the NRA/gun guys tried to take over this blog, I see the good guys are winning hands down. To you good guys who wrote here: you're right on, because entrenched in the Canadian constitution is the right to PEACE, ORDER, and good government. It's the USA, not us, that has the constitutional right to bear arms. So, city gun-lovers, you're in the wrong country. Get out, we don't want you. We want Lee Matasi back we can't have him because he was murdered by a gun guy.

The reason why we've been so popular with all these pro-gun people is because we were linked to Canadian Gun Nutz. Click on my name as I've linked to their site. The logo says it all.

Yes, that beaver giving the peace sign is EVIL. I noticed no anti's have had the balls (or ovaries) to post on CGN.

B, (speaking of having balls, can't even put a first name????)
it's because only psychopaths would know that a website called "canadian gun nutz" exists in the first place, let alone bother posting anything on it.

Handguns are manufactured as life saving devices. When there is a threat of death or grave bodily injury, the handgun can be used by a potential victim to save him or herself.That's why police have them. That's why the Prime Minister is cocooned in handguns wherever he goes.

So, why should only elites have the benefits skilled use of handguns can provide? Owning a handgun doesn't make you defense capable any more than owning a violin makes you a musician. I advocate citizen carry of guns provided a background check and skill to the level of an RCMP constable are passed.

This has been done in over 41 states in the US and the results are in and provable as daylight. Thousands of woman have not been raped and thousands more have not been murdered because the wolves can't tell the sheep from the sheepdogs.

In case you haven't noticed, large numbers of these criminals do just fine with weapons other than guns, while their victims would only have had a chance, to the extent that they might have had a chance at all, with a gun and the skill to use it.

Typically only 2 to 4 percent of the population take advantage of Concealed Carry Laws, and that is all it takes to instill fear in a significant number of criminals.

The idea that possession of a gun turns someone into a murderer is ludicrous. Without a gun they may not be capable of following through on a murder
but they are obviously a grave threat.
Infinitely more than some gun owner like me who is no threat.

Why would any sane person prefer to see a woman strangled to death with her own pantyhose than alive and safe with a gun in her hand?

Outlawing handguns will no more enhance society than outlawing locks so we can boast we are so superior we go to bed with unlocked doors.

If you prefer to give criminals what they want and be defenceless, that's your choice, but don't impose it on me. Just be a real Canadian, shit pants and beg for mercy.

So, Jesus (if that IS your real name): Give everybody guns except criminals, is that what you're saying? Who are these criminals exactly? Is there a way we can find out? Maybe they can wear a big yellow star on their arm or something. But that means I would have to wear one because I got caught tagging a building once. Damn. Shitty for me. Well I'm glad that the Canadian Gun Nuttz are there to protect us all. And the police, those guys are swell. Hey speaking of which, I wrote this article a while back. Enjoy.

i dont know where you guys get your statistics... but most people that carry a gun for protection will have it turned around to being the weapon that the "criminal" uses to kill or rape or whatever... the guy didnt even need to go buy it illegaly..and he didnt even need to go throw it in the ocean after... cant be traced.. twas the victims

It's a nickname retard.This site is lame beyond words, goodbye. Have fun with your faux reporting.

"The way you wrote this is VERY insulting to gun owners nationwide. You attack them, expect them to hit back."

Shouldn't that be "shoot back"?

If the Liberals win the election and ban handguns like they say, then it will be the law abiding gun owners who will pay the price by forfeiting some of their rights and property as criminals don't respect or follow any laws and this will have no effect on the people perpetrating the crimes. They will still get firearms and they will still kill, with or without firearms. The law abiding gun owners will reluctantly turn in their handguns. One day when YOUR rights are taken away for 'the common good', maybe you'd understand. Most of your generation never had to go without and never had to really fight for freedom and democracy. So it is easy for many of you to have the perspective that you do. One day, you may understand but, by then, it may be too late. By the way, I've owned handguns for over 35 years. No one has ever been hurt by myself nor by my handguns. I guess it is no longer 'fashionable' to admit a liking for firearms or the shooting sports. How long before your hobbies and past times are no longer 'fashionable' and how would you feel when you may no longer enjoy them what they may be?

"The idea that 'the public interest' supersede private interests and rights can have but one meaning: that the interest and rights of some individuals take precedence over the interests and rights of others." -Ayn Rand

What shocks me more is the aggresive and quick response from people who are quick to name-call the author of the article - and this is for being upset that lee died as well as for not liking guns ...
this makes me question what kind of people are in to these guns in the first place ... also how whould they use them in a situation filled with emotions such as anger? The manner and tone in which many of these responses are written seem to invalidate whatever is trying to be said as it comes off as immature bantering.

Surely the more important issues lie in the senseless death, irresponsible use of a weapon and in my opinion - ignorance. Ignorance that in this such case, stems from a kind of social sickness that seems to be in many places throughout North America and other places as well. This is a desire to be someone and something that is irrelevant to your own culture. To romanticise such fantasy which is spun from music videos and the media about being violent, avoricious, misogynist and selfish. Qualities which are frowned upon across the board by people of many races, socio-economic backgrounds and ethinicities.

This kind of ignorance is like a quick-spreading disease which I blame on a modern, western culture that gloryfies and makes heroes out of imbeciles. We no longer live in a society that teaches children respect, to look-up to people of substance that have made positive changes in the world.

- bbs.

What are the politics of boredom?

balls,

I think you should get your information and facts straight. Anyone who carries a handgun for 'protection' in Canada is in violation of the law. NO ONE IS allowed to carry a handgun LEGALLY in Canada other than the police or armoured guard services and very few exceptions are ever granted, not even Private Investigators. I know of no law abiding handgun owners who carry their firearms 'for protection' and storing a loaded firearm is in violation of the law and, in the case of a handgun, you cannot store it without a locking device. The law abiding firearms owners are not the issue here. Some of you people don't even know how restrictive the laws are when it comes to handguns and firearms in Canada. The real problem is having the courts enforce those laws and mete out meaningful sentences. BTW, I see White is out on bail. How do you like them apples? Yeah, punish the law abiding and let the criminals walk free.....

balls,

I think you should get your information and facts straight. Anyone who carries a handgun for 'protection' in Canada is in violation of the law. NO ONE IS allowed to carry a handgun LEGALLY in Canada other than the police or armoured guard services and very few exceptions are ever granted, not even Private Investigators. I know of no law abiding handgun owners who carry their firearms 'for protection' and storing a loaded firearm is in violation of the law and, in the case of a handgun, you cannot store it without a locking device. The law abiding firearms owners are not the issue here. Some of you people don't even know how restrictive the laws are when it comes to handguns and firearms in Canada. The real problem is having the courts enforce those laws and mete out meaningful sentences. BTW, I see White is out on bail. How do you like them apples? Yeah, punish the law abiding and let the criminals walk free.....

I just heard on the news that the punk who murdered your pal is home on house arrest. Your pal was robbed of the rest of his life, and the person who murdered him so viciously, on a whim, is home almost as if nothing happened. This is the result of years of Liberal criminal-loving philosophy infecting the justice system. Liberals and people who support them are responsible for this travesty. If this doesn't show you where truth lies, what can?

Try this link

www.combatcarry.com/video/gunmyths.wmv

Imagine this... Three of the 14 women killed at l'Ecole Polytechnique carried firearms and had training on how to use them... What do you think would have happened to the assailant before he finished killing all 14. Guns can save lives.

Imagine this... Three of the 14 women killed at l'Ecole Polytechnique carried firearms and had training on how to use them... What do you think would have happened to the assailant before he finished killing all 14. Guns can save lives.

ALL OF YOU DUMMIES ARE JUST THAT:DUMB!!!!IT IS 2006, AND YES IT'S SAD THAT SOMEONE HAD TO DIE, BUT THE REALITY REMAINS THE SAME:GUNS DON'T KILL PEOPLE. STUPID MOTHAFUCKAS WITH GUNS KILL PEOPLE. THE VIOLENCE WILL CONTINUE UNTIL CHRISTS RETURN, POINT BLANK PERIOD. THAT'S IT THAT'S ALL. YOU CAN WALK UP TO SOMEONE AND PUNCH THEM GOOD ENOUGH IN THE FACE ONE TIME AND KILL THEM. WAKE UP AND SMELL THE FOLGERS PEOPLE. IT DOESN'T MATTER IF YOU'RE IN FRANCE, CANADA, JAPAN, KOREA,TENNESSEE,TEXAS,COLORADO TIMBUK-FUCKING-TU VIOLENCE IS HERE AND IT'S GONNA BE UNTIL THE END OF TIME. AND I HATE TO BREAK IT TO YOU, BUT IT'S GONNA GET WORSE. DON'T YOU PEOPLE READ THE BIBLE? IT EXPLAINS ALL OF THESE HEINOUS CRIMES AND THINGS THAT ARE TAKING PLACE.AND I HATE TO BE THE BEARER OF BAD NEWS BUT, YOU CAN'T PREVENT DEATH. WHEN YOU'RE MEANT TO GO, YOU'RE MEANT TO GO. NOTHING YOU CAN DO TO STOP IT. SO LET'S SAY THE DRUNK WANKSTER DIDN'T HAVE A GUN, AND YOUR BUDDIE SAID WHAT HE HAD TO SAY TO HIM AND WALKED AWAY FEELING PROUD. IF IT WAS MEANT FOR HIM TO GO, HE WOULD HAVE WALKED AWAY AND GOT BLASTED BY A VEHICLE. EITHER WAY, HE WAS GOING TO DIE BECAUSE THAT WAS HIS TIME TO GO. WAKE UP EVERYONE, IT'S 2006. VIOLENCE IS HERE TO SAY AND NO AMOUNT OF PROTESTS OR GUN BANS IS GONNA STOP THAT. BECAUSE EVEN IF THEY DID BAN GUNS, PEOPLE WOULD STILL FIND A WAY TO KILL EACH OTHER.

Ok, First..My dad is a Sergent Major US Army ret. And before him theres another 20 generations of military history in my family..so yes I know all about firearms. Second..I knew Lee..I went to school with him..and asmuch as we would like to paint him as matyr before the altar of gun violence..he isnt..he's a matyr before the alter of stupidity..You do not push an issue when a person has a firearm unless you are prepared to get shot and even more so when that person is so obviously mentally handicapped as this Richard White character and his friends. Now well most intelligent people will agree guns dont kill people..people kill people is a true statement. The gun is a much more guilt free weapon..you can shoot someone from a distance and not see the literally effect of your actions. also most morons underestimate the acutal damage a ballistic weapon does..thinking, "I can shoot this person and it will be like on TV they will live"..This..is BS shear fucking luck keeps people alive after being shot and keeps them from getting shot in locations which are instantly fatal im not talking you got 5 minutes to get to the hospital before shock sets in im talking bang..your dead period.
Now gun control..stupid idea..simple reason you remove the guns from people who know how to use them..and do you really think criminals care about gun laws..Sidenote I also know Miriam and despite her hippy-ness she is a VERY intelligent girl..and im sure she's rapped her head around this already..that does not change the fact however that Lee is Dead..he was killed with a firearm..by an idiot who was not suppose to have one..for being an idiot and telling idiot A. that since idiot A. was a mental fucking midget..he should not have a gun..
We can play semantics games all day..Jist is Guns in the wrong hands are bad..to quote klauswitz war is a extension of politics by other means..in otherwords you talk first..then use force only if absolutely nessacary..asfor the Skytrain guys having guns..aslong as their properly trained in the usage of the firearms and are not FUCKING MORONS..its ok much like the police have guns and yet you dont hear "Vancouver police gun down unarmed carthief.." all to often..bitchslap carthief ok you hear that and good for the police..

centuries forestalling:drunkly passports?obscure jaundice?Latinize

Let me tell you a little story... I live in a wonderful place called Canada! It can not be pointed out on a map by a large portion of americans. I live in a nice little city across the boarder from the U.S called Vancouver. Vancouver was voted #1 best city in the world to live in, due to its low crime rate and natural beauty, not to mention it's very strict gun laws.

There was a man in my community called Lee Matasi, he was a local hero. he painted a full mural for free at my highschool, which now has a mohogany plaqe made my me beside it honoring him. He also turned a drug riden tunnel into what is now my favorite skatepark (due to his beautyful artwork spraypainted on the walls) and many people new and loved him. but on one unfortunate day he was at a bar with some freinds after his return from art school in France. when he left he bumped into a man with an american smugled gun and his freinds in a dark alleyway. the man was showing off his new all american gun to his freinds when lee walked by. Lee being person he was walked over to him and explained how bad guns were and how he should not be carrying it around. The man then pointed the gun at Lee, so Lee decided to run. The man freaked out and fired 3 rounds into Lee's back killing him instantly.

The day after I left school early to go to his memorial at leeside underground skatepark. on the bus were 7 more people also going to his momorial. including his 70 year old babysitter from when he was just a child.

If you say to somebody that is from another country, It is our law, how does it affect you? please think about this before you say it.

Guess where that gun came from. hmmmm... what is right across the boarder from Canada... OH YA THE U.S.A! thats right Lee Matasi got shot with three american bullets.

The point is why the fuck do you want guns? And don't tell me it is for self defence, or it is your right as an American Citizen. the people who get killed by guns are the good honest liberal people who dont need them. But you thick headed right wing goon bastards are right. It is people that kill, not guns. but in a good old Canadian fight you will get a black eye, at worst a broken bone. But in an american fight it is a easy as somebody pulling out their gun, then some poor father has lost his son. If you want your relitive to die in a scensless fight that is fine by me, but I don't want your fucking blood covered American guns killing my freinds and family.

Let me tell my version of this little story... I live in a wonderful place called Canada! It can not be pointed out on a map by a large portion of americans. I live in a nice little city across the boarder from the U.S called Vancouver. Vancouver was voted #1 best city in the world to live in, due to its low crime rate and natural beauty, not to mention it's very strict gun laws.

There was a man in my local community called Lee Matasi, he was a local hero. he painted a full mural for free at my highschool, which now has a mohogany plaqe made my me beside it honoring him. He also turned a drug riden tunnel into what is now my favorite skatepark (due to his beautyful artwork spraypainted on the walls) and many people new and loved him. but on one unfortunate day he was at a bar with some freinds after his return from art school in France. when he left he bumped into a man with an american smugled gun and his freinds in a dark alleyway. the man was showing off his new all american gun to his freinds when lee walked by. Lee being person he was walked over to him and explained how bad guns were and how he should not be carrying it around. The man then pointed the gun at Lee, so Lee decided to run. The man freaked out and fired 3 rounds into Lee's back killing him instantly.

The day after I left school early to go to his memorial at leeside underground skatepark. on the bus were 7 more people also going to his momorial. including his 70 year old babysitter from when he was just a child.

If you say to somebody that is from another country, It is our law, how does it affect you? please think about this before you say it.

Guess where that gun came from. hmmmm... what is right across the boarder from Canada... OH YA THE U.S.A! thats right Lee Matasi got shot with three american bullets that soared into his back like Eagles.

The point is why the fuck do you want guns? And don't tell me it is for self defence, or it is your right as an American Citizen. The people who get killed by guns are the good honest liberal people who dont need them. But you thick headed right wing goon bastards are right. It is people that kill, not guns. but in a good old Canadian fight you will get a black eye, at worst a broken bone. But in an american fight it is a easy as somebody pulling out their gun, then some poor father has lost his son. If you want your relitive to die in a scensless fight that is fine by me, but I don't want your fucking blood covered American guns killing my freinds and family.

So why don't you simple right wing Americans go fuck yourselves with a heated rod.

Let me tell my version of this little story... I live in a wonderful place called Canada! It can not be pointed out on a map by a large portion of americans. I live in a nice little city across the boarder from the U.S called Vancouver. Vancouver was voted #1 best city in the world to live in, due to its low crime rate and natural beauty, not to mention it's very strict gun laws.

There was a man in my local community called Lee Matasi, he was a local hero. he painted a full mural for free at my highschool, which now has a mohogany plaqe made my me beside it honoring him. He also turned a drug riden tunnel into what is now my favorite skatepark (due to his beautyful artwork spraypainted on the walls) and many people new and loved him. but on one unfortunate day he was at a bar with some freinds after his return from art school in France. when he left he bumped into a man with an american smugled gun and his freinds in a dark alleyway. the man was showing off his new all american gun to his freinds when lee walked by. Lee being person he was walked over to him and explained how bad guns were and how he should not be carrying it around. The man then pointed the gun at Lee, so Lee decided to run. The man freaked out and fired 3 rounds into Lee's back killing him instantly.

The day after I left school early to go to his memorial at leeside underground skatepark. on the bus were 7 more people also going to his momorial. including his 70 year old babysitter from when he was just a child.

If you say to somebody that is from another country, It is our law, how does it affect you? please think about this before you say it.

Guess where that gun came from. hmmmm... What is right across the boarder from Canada... OH YA THE U.S.A! thats right Lee Matasi got shot with three american bullets that soared into his back like Eagles.

The point is why the fuck do you want guns? And don't tell me it is for self defence, or it is your right as an American Citizen. The people who get killed by guns are the good honest liberal people who dont need them. But you thick headed right wing goon bastards are right. It is people that kill, not guns. but in a good old Canadian fight you will get a black eye, at worst a broken bone. But in an american fight it is a easy as somebody pulling out their gun, then some poor father has lost his son. If you want your relitive to die in a scensless fight, that is fine by me. But I don't want your fucking blood covered American guns killing my freinds and family. Not today. Not ever.

So why don't you simple right wing Americans go fuck yourselves with a heated rod.

I would like to see Lee be chased down that busy street with a knife and get killed. face the facts pencil dicks, just because you won't use your ONLY means of self defence to kill somebody doesn't mean sombody else won't.

And I don't want to hear about what your bullshit bible says you blind fool. Why dont you pull your head out of your ass and get your own opinions, not the bible's.

hmm.. first off, do you guys even know what l'ecole means? second when I went through elementary school I learned that two wrongs don't make a right. So If the american government is executing criminals, well then I think it is time to replace the governmet with children so maybe you government can get something done for it's rep with the rest of the world. I see cars going by with american flags, if I had an egg, guess where it would go. Canada and Britain are the only places on earth that you could go without having you family killed and you car burned.
So stop being so ignorant you republicans.

Thanks for reviving the debate Robin.

Ecole? Isn't that what killed those people in Walkerton a few years ago?

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Rob get your facts straight you dope smoking fuck head. Check stats Canada on the percentage of people beaten to death, or worse yet permanent brain damage. That happens when you have multiple attackers still beating on someone when there down, or large difference in size or age. That's the great thing about guns, they are the great equalizer.

Rob get your facts straight you dope smoking fuck head. Check stats Canada on the percentage of people beaten to death, or worse yet permanent brain damage. That happens when you have multiple attackers still beating on someone when there down, or large difference in size or age. That's the great thing about guns, they are the great equalizer.