Vancity Buzz: Cocks

081508_buzz.jpgLocal "dashing young 20 something(s)... likely to be at Republic or Plaza on Saturday night", Vancouver Buzz, have come up with a scathing critique of my homeless plan. What homeless plan? Exactly. They also reject my comment, which took about a minute to write, without offering any of their own. Usually this kind of ad hominem attack doesn't need to back itself, its substance is purely vitriolic, but in this case I was goaded in an earlier post to "try to implement (your solution) and then come back and talk to me". I'm not going to list, as I did in the comments, the things I perceive as positive actions in response to Vancouver's homelessness, but I will repeat my assertion that, in response to the remark that "suggestions without action are just that... suggestions", the most valuable tool I have, is the power to create dialogue.

These are the fine people who have brought you such fine comments as "I'm sure the Mexicans don't mind $14/hr. How much would they earn in Mexico?", "The DTES needs to (sic) gentrification", "I'd like to make my debut by hailing the Liberal government with their pro-economic policies", and my personal fave; "The Urban Dweller is hoping that the homeless can get back on their feet, so he could kindly escort them to the nearest skytrain station. Next stop, the lower class suburb of Surrey! I feel that they should now go back to a place that is more akin to their natural habitat. What better place than the "armpit" of the Lower Mainland."

"Before the cronies of BeyondRobson decide to attack Vancity Buzz again, they should try to come up with some strong alternative solutions rather than just bickering about the context in which we present our ideas. Furthermore, Sean Orr is in the running for asshat of the month". Now generally, I'm a fan of Sean Orr bashing myself, but this isn't even really a very good character assasiation, keep in mind Vancity Buzz, you've got some tough competition in Jamie Lee Hamilton, Met Blogs Vancouver, Jonathan Narvey, Covenant Zone and The Georgia Straight.

Their sheer number of posts however, ranging from the flammable to the utterly boring, is enough to redeem this fledging blog. If Beyond Robson had more contributors, we would be the best blog in town. Instead, Province readers like Maverick and Urban Dweller spout off on everything from Cactus Club to The Roxy. Hell, they're basically a perfect counterpoint to Beyon Robson, I mean, just look at their banner! Anyways, if you'd rather read about stuff like local bands that aren't played on the Fox, restaurant reviews of that tiny new eatery, or the latest in contemporary Vancouver art for example, I implore you to write for Beyond Robson.

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One of the writers apparently works in Bentall 5, which is only partially leased. Maybe they are lawyers at one of the firms there? I am curious what group in that building would employ one of these people.

Whatever the case, they sound like a bunch of drunk hicks from elsewhere in Canada who just arrived in town and don't get the culture here. My bet is that they last another year before they all get fired from their jobs and move to Toronto.

Posted by: Brian at August 15, 2008 11:33 AM | Quote Comment

LOL wut?
Vancity Buzz is pretty cool guy eh, "The DTES needs to (sic) gentrification" and doesn't afraid of anything.

I also like how they called BR "a second-tier blog" when this is the first time I've heard of them, and have been following BR (well, Morning Brew)for over a year. And after reading it, I won't be visiting it again. It's pretty lame, poorly written and lacking in terms of actual content. I get more out of my Tumblr than VanCity Buzz.

Posted by: c0 at August 15, 2008 11:35 AM | Quote Comment

So the people of Vancity Buzz don't just admit they've been to places like the Plaza, they justify their reasons for going there? Yikes. And to say that the Roxy is too "old", well I happened to walk by it last night during my yearly trip to the Granville Strip (a birthday at Ceili's) and if the women standing outside would be described as old, then at 26 I should be shopping for a walker.

Anyways, thank you for bringing my attention to a blog that I will now avoid at all costs. Just don't put too much effort in responding to their posts, any traffic to that site is more than they deserve.

Posted by: Loxy at August 15, 2008 11:46 AM | Quote Comment

what's with all the hate?
just agree that they suck and move on; no need to write a dedicated post about it.

Posted by: rob at August 15, 2008 11:49 AM | Quote Comment

Ok, I read BeyondRobson everyday but now this is all getting childish. This site can and is usually used for so many topics but it appears just because one group has pissed you off Sean, you are now using this site for your own agenda.

I noticed was it last week, you had what you called a 'troll' on your site, I would expect this kind of thing happens on many sites. If you are a strong enough individual you would rise above it all. If you are going to poke and prod like the rest, expect it back, its just the way it goes.

You usually make your point right from the start, but when you begin playing with it, its validity falls to the wayside.

All neighborhoods go through change, whether its good or bad. Cities usually change in some regard, make your point, fight the fight, but unfortunately unless you have the cash behind you, things will progress the way it will. So figure out the best way to disperse your energy.

What worries me is you are starting to come off like those hippies in the 60's in Vancouver, who now have too much money and disposable items, but they kept the ponytail. Thats sad.


Posted by: JDP at August 15, 2008 11:58 AM | Quote Comment

almost gave full points to Orr here for his pwning rebuttal - til I read the Oldtown link..

Sean Orr - the APC?? really??

I mean the sophmoric 'hipster' antics and self-aggrandizing I can sort of forgive.. but the APC are without a doubt the most pathetic pack of self-important, hypocritical and unintentionally ironic anarchist poseurs to make me want to smack a bourgeoise smirk off someone's face.

While APC 'membership' might explain Orr's prosaic fellatio for all things David Eby it kinda leaves me thinking Orr's one helluva a massive wanker.

Sean Orr - say it ain't so..

I'm not sure who l dislike more: the APC or Plaza-going-dashing-20-something-meatheads on Granville.. at least the latter aren't terribly present here in the East End

Posted by: jerry Incognito at August 15, 2008 12:11 PM | Quote Comment

The fact that no one uses their real name slightly annoys me, however I was also under the impression that one of their writers was also a contributor at BR...

Posted by: Rebecca at August 15, 2008 12:13 PM | Quote Comment

Jamie Lee Scamiton is tough competition?

She/He is just another blogger without an job.

Posted by: Collio G. at August 15, 2008 12:20 PM | Quote Comment

Wow, c0 calm down, I know you just discovered the site and want to be the Internet's coolest guy, but please don't repeat memes and lingo on here from you know where. And please don't break rules 1 and 2.

Posted by: gary at August 15, 2008 12:29 PM | Quote Comment

JDP, Sean makes sandwiches for a living. He has neither money or items. Not sure about the ponytail.

Posted by: Gery at August 15, 2008 12:37 PM | Quote Comment

And Rebecca, some people don't use their real names because some of us aren't all aspiring internet fameballs.

Posted by: gury at August 15, 2008 12:39 PM | Quote Comment

Talking about Rules 1 and 2 effectively breaks rules 1 and 2, plus this isn't a raid.

Ok, /threadjack.

Back to the topic at hand, please.

Posted by: ro/b/son at August 15, 2008 12:40 PM | Quote Comment

I'm not gonna make a big deal about this Christopher Olson, but writing a letter to Vice Magazine and getting it published on their blog doesn't mean that you wrote for Vice Magazine. You may want to stop lying about that sometime soon.

Posted by: Giry at August 15, 2008 1:28 PM | Quote Comment

I'm not a member of APC.

"If you are a strong enough individual you would rise above it all. If you are going to poke and prod like the rest, expect it back, its just the way it goes."

And I never said that Vancouver Buzz shouldn't voice their opinions, indeed that's all I am doing myself, and I never expected them to take my comments lying down. I did not call them trolls. I quite enjoy sparking controversy between rival blogs.

Posted by: Sean Orr at August 15, 2008 1:41 PM | Quote Comment

I'm not a member of APC.

"If you are a strong enough individual you would rise above it all. If you are going to poke and prod like the rest, expect it back, its just the way it goes."

And I never said that Vancouver Buzz shouldn't voice their opinions, indeed that's all I am doing myself, and I never expected them to take my comments lying down. I did not call them trolls. I quite enjoy sparking controversy between rival blogs.

Posted by: Sean Orr at August 15, 2008 1:41 PM | Quote Comment

Quite enjoy sparking controversy between rival blogs?
How exciting! What an adventure!

If thats controversy, then its time to get a life isn't it?

You are probably more capable than making sandwiches but that would take you out of the general Vancouver mode of all talk and no action.

Posted by: Anna K> at August 15, 2008 2:07 PM | Quote Comment

Thanks for reading...AND commenting.. on such a non-controversial waste of time. Thanks for taking the time to point out that this is a waste of time.

Posted by: sean Orr at August 15, 2008 2:19 PM | Quote Comment

Anna,

Dialog on any level is productive, educational, and in some cases entertaining. One thing it is not, is a waste of time.

Posted by: Andrew P at August 15, 2008 2:56 PM | Quote Comment

Waste of time and effort all around.
Shouldn't have even been given a post, someone's ego got affected.

Dish it, take it or stop all together.

It brings to reason why this city has become such a joke.

Go volunteer somewhere!

Posted by: TK at August 15, 2008 3:59 PM | Quote Comment

Spell my name right, just don't say I live on Haro St.

Posted by: Fameball at August 15, 2008 5:56 PM | Quote Comment

it's bad enough this site has deteriorated into nothing more than a daily "daily brew" (for the hundredth time).

and somehow you expect petty trash talk to actually attract new contributors to make this the "best blog in town"?

sorry, but all it does is drag down the maturity and credibility to nil.

beyond robson does need to realize its potential - vancouver needs it. but it's not going to happen at this rate.

Posted by: ito at August 16, 2008 6:19 AM | Quote Comment

ha ha ha.

I found my way onto this site from blogto as I'm planning a trip back home(I'm origianlly from Vancouver) next week.

While Vancity buzz reminds me why I got the hell out of the city, this silly-childish-bickering reminds me of how small town Vancouver can feel sometimes.

Posted by: thom at August 16, 2008 9:56 AM | Quote Comment

Yikes - the hate this guy Sean has is something else. Why is he writing on this blog, it doesn't seem productive to society me, sort of seems like the type of rants you see on all these American "news" stations.

Surrey bashing - the "armpit of the Lower Mainland" is fairly uninformative. I live a few blocks from where those 6 people were killed in a highrise near the last Skytrain Station. It's a great neighborhood to live in with Green Timbers Urban Forest on 1 side (our Stanley Park) and a mix of outdated strip malls waiting for the wrecking ball and ultra modern shopping malls (the roof is like the bottom hull of a ship in softwood).

I don't want any more of your junkies coming to my neighborhood because of DTES pushing them out. Last time a group of 10-20 came to a beautiful park next to the skytrain with enormous Rhododendron forests and large Douglas Firs, the city decided to chop almost the entire park down and start anew to benefit non-junkies with more open spaces and public art. I was shocked, but it turned out well and now we have a 3-day music fest (FusionFest 2008) in that park that rivals the Vancouver Folk Fest.

The difference between how a Vancouverite and a Surreyite (?) treat the problem-causing homeless is simple...Some ppl have been known to piss in their sleeping bags, or maybe pour some oil or whatever on their gear. When they ask me for money I say "F+++ You!" quite clearly and tell them to get out of my space. "Go back to Vancouver". They get off the skytrain and cruise my street for bikes, baby strollers, and whatnot all night long.

I like to go into Vancouver to visit sometimes, and even take a critical mass now & then, but I don't think I would want to live there myself as it is a cold & unfriendly place to be if you are not a homeless junkie.

Ride to the end of the skytrain line on your bike and take a few hour trip around our parks, its worth the ride!

Posted by: Marek at August 24, 2008 4:16 PM | Quote Comment

Let the Vancouver Buzz (cocks) voice their opinions all they want. They do a better job of making themselves look like a bunch of right wing frat boys than any of us ever could. As for this whole dialogue being a "non-controversial waste of time" - why bother talking about anything at all! Dissing meathead bloggers, as far as I'm concerned, is a great way to spend an afternoon, perhaps not "necessary", like, I don't know "volunteering" (wouldn't this unpaid commentary be considered volunteer work, though? Whatever, I'm totally putting this on my resume), but certainly better than a night out at the Plaza, inhaling nasty cologne and getting date raped by some dude with frosted tips.
P.S. "Surreyite"- guess what! "Our" junkies have just as much of a right to "your" park as anyone else! Its called public property; you may have heard of it- we have it in Vancouver AND in Surrey! It must be really offensive to you to have to be confronted with the truth that there are people who exist in the world who are less fortunate than you (gross!); but hey - I guess thats what people move to the suburbs for...Enjoy your bubble.

Posted by: Meghan at August 28, 2008 6:07 PM | Quote Comment

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